Israel is not a liberal democracy

I had always assumed that Israel did not have a death penalty.

“I detect that you don’t really like me posting these things – would you rather they not be exposed?”

A question that is making me think. Please wait….

Considering that Holocaust Denial and its condemnation is a central part of our culture (despite the fact that the Deniers have the same influence as the Flat Earthers) I’d have thought that reminding people of the still unpunished Deir Yassin Massacre (and its stealing by the perpetrators) was something that did need detailed discussion.

Palestine is a country declared Independent in 1988 and recognised by c.130 other countries – not far short of the number who recognise Israel (c.160)!

Besides which, Palestine has existed as a geographical entity since Roman Times – and Napoleon thought of it that way in 1798, as shown in this map.

If anyone was being jeered at for not being a proper nation, it would not be the Palestinians!

The reality on the ground is that the apartheid regime in Israel is going to come unglued – in fact, late 2013 could prove to be the time when Tzipi Livni and Abbas come out of sequestration and announce a one-state solution.

After that will come the mass killings as Palestinians struggle for access to the courts and the return of their stolen property.

But most white-skinned Jews will have left by then, they’ll go blubbing to AIPAC, which has promised to set them up in a nice new country. The going rate for their compensation may be $800,000 for a family of 4.

I’m sorry, I don’t do secret languages!

But browser Google Chrome does and tells me this:

“How fighting organization “Yad L’Achim” Messianic Jews? Hint: all means are acceptable

Orthodox organization “Yad L'” from “Messianic Jews” (who have accepted Jesus Christ as the Messiah), which gathers information and passes it to the Ministry of the Interior. Ministry officials summoned them to clarify and make life hell bureaucratic. Alongside this there are incidents of harassment, spreading rumors and damage to businesses, such as in the case of Pearl Comforty woke up one morning and find this poster hanging outside her bakery.God does not allow? Yes.

A random story down the page:

… Barbara Ludwig, 33 year old student from Germany has found itself on the brink of expulsion from the country, after the Interior Ministry refused to issue her a visa type 2, that any foreign student must possess. Ministry explained the refusal by Ludwig, who studies degree in Jewish Studies at the Hebrew University, is a “missionary.” “Disturbing to think that people I do not even know me know that the Interior Ministry so much personal information,” she says. “Not just me, even my parents, who live in Germany.”

Explanations, she wanted to convert to Judaism, Jewish lifestyle and the future raise her children as Jews – not in her favor. Hearing conducted in court last year illegal aliens be deported to Germany before she was asked about her lifestyle and belief:

Court: I want to know once and for all – what is the true religion, Judaism or Christianity?

Ludwig: I think the truth is God and not Judaism or Christianity.

The Court: Christian idolatry?

etc etc

You seem to ignore the fact that European Jews abandoned Spain to become the Sephardim – they were safer amongst Muslims than amongst Christians.

And I need you to prove what you claim about the Christians of Egypt being 2nd-class from credible sources. Again, I’m quite prepared to be convinced – in Palestine the Christians were the middle-class, in Egypt its obviously not the same. The Wonkypedia says “While Copts have cited instances of persecution throughout their history[citation needed], Human Rights Watch has noted “growing religious intolerance” and sectarian violence against Coptic Christians in recent years” which means that Egypt has become an increasingly nasty society under American imposed dictatorship. It is simply your xenophobia and Islamophobia to blame it on Islam. Did Jewish kapos persecute other Jews and non-Jews because of Judaism? Of course not (though one Jewish historian and one Jewish philosopher thought that Zionism led to it).

Moreover, every “community” in these Middle Eastern societies looked after itself and raised special taxes, so your blanket claims are worthless and I can see that you go first to garbage Islamophobic “sources”.

We can get back to Messianic Jews presently, I’ll get more sense and learn more from WOTL than I’d ever do from you.

I know that the Jews of Spain were forced to leave by the return of the Christians.

I know that they could have moved elsewhere within Europe but in general they did not, they moved to Muslim countries where they were safer.

However, I’m wrong about Maimonides, who I see was born in Córdoba, wandered (studied in?) Spain for 10 years and then wandered to (and studied in) Morocco until he settled in Egypt as court physician. He plainly was not a refugee.

I know of no credible evidence for your claim about the conversions. Prove to me that the Egyptian state does this (ie from credible visitors/volunteers/journalists not from blogs!). I’m not saying it doesn’t happen in a country groaning under 30 years of American dominated dictatorship but it’s probably outside the law.

Apartheid has a specific meaning and you don’t seem to have demonstrated it. Your picture of Saudi does not demonstrate it – designating areas (even quite big ones) sacred ground probably does not qualify.

Even driving all 2nd, 3rd and 4th class citizens out of all the decent parts of Tel Aviv doesn’t really qualify as apartheid – however, to claim that its individuals carrying it out and that everyone condemns them is totally untrue – 90% of the 1st-class population condones it.

Prove to me that Egypt allows Christians to re-designate themselves Muslims but not the other way round. But don’t do it from a newspaper owned by the Moonies!

Meanwhile, the “crime of apartheid” by the 2002 definition is:

… inhumane acts of a character similar to other crimes against humanity “committed in the context of an institutionalized regime of systematic oppression and domination by one racial group over any other racial group or groups and committed with the intention of maintaining that regime.”

If Egypt is doing this then its to be condemned – which I will do in no uncertain fashion the next occasion it arises!

Meanwhile, its easy enough to prove that Israel is indeed based on the crime of apartheid – you’d have to be pretty dumb to deny it.

1. Au contraire. By virtue of the fact that these institutions and restrictions do exist, it is patently discrimination against any and all who are not of the established church. And again, in Iceland, the language is clear:

Article 64

…A person who is not a member of any religious association shall
pay to the University of Iceland the dues that he would have had to pay to such an association, if he had been a member.

Israel is no less a liberal democracy, and in fact, here, anyone of any religious (or secular) persuasion CAN achieve any position in the country- democratically; as opposed to those European liberal democracies with a monarchy.

2/3. And yet you insist on tossing around accusations which you yourself admit are unsubstantiated.

4. Ah! So the US armed forces until 1973- and all others that had- and have, a draft didn’t do so for self-defense! How does that work?

And even now, the Selective Service System remains in place as a contingency plan; men between the ages of 18 and 25 are required to register so that a draft can be readily resumed if needed.

http://www.sss.gov/FSwho.htm

And again, many liberal democratic European countries have a MANDATORY draft. For instance, Switzerland has mandatory military service in the Swiss Army for all able-bodied male citizens, who are conscripted when they reach the age of majority:

http://www.vtg.admin.ch/internet/vtg/fr/home/militaerdienst/rekrut.html

By the way, you clearly don’t know what “effective self-defense” is. Ask a soldier- or anyone who has ever been effectively protected by one.

5. Again, the democratic will of each and all of the religious groups here is that marriage remain religious in nature. If that changes- and it might, it will be because it is the will of the people; the majority.

6. I was talking about Kach. Again, they were THE reason why that law was passed- and the only political party to ever be banned here.

1. Note all you want. It’s still a red herring. Sweden is the state of the Swedish nation. China is the state of the Chinese nation. France is the French nation, and Israel is the state of the nation of Israel. It’s really quite simple. Many nations have a state. We’re no different.

The constitution of Iceland is clear- and by virtue of the fact that it segregates people, is anything but liberal. Those of the church MUST pay the church tax anyway, and all others MUST pay the university tax. And what if a Muslim citizen wants to pay it to the mosque instead? What if a Jewish citizen wants it for his synagogue, etc.? That is against the Constitution.

In terms of non-Jewish Israeli Ministers, Salah Tarif (MK from 1992-2006 was appointed by Ariel Sharon in 2001, and and Majalli Wahabi even briefly assumed the position of President due to President Moshe Katzav’s leave of absence. There is no law- or practice, that stands in anyone’s way (unlike in the “liberal democracies I listed above where one cannot become king without being of the established church). There are non-Jews in Knesset, in high military positions, on the Supreme Court, and everywhere else- which you would know if you actually read before posting.

In fact, In January 2004, Prime Minister Ariel Sharon declared that every state-run company must have at least one Arab citizen of Israel on its board of directors, which is reverse-discrimination, and In 2007, Ra’adi Sfori was elected as a JNF (Jewish National Fund) director.

2/3. These points exist BECAUSE you made accusations- above in your original post.

4. The bottom line is that Switzerland, which hasn’t been forced to fight a war in hundreds of years, DOES have mandatory conscription, and almost all of those conscripted go to the military. In Israel, conscription rates are only at around 50% of our citizenry. Arabs are exempt if they want, and others get out for other reasons. My daughter isn’t in the army. She’s doing National Service.

Ask army officers here if they want conscription and way over 90% say yes. This is one reason why our army is so good; because the system doesn’t force only the under-educated and underprivileged to serve.

5. Again, when the majority decide that they want “civil” marriages, it will be enacted via the democratically elected Knesset.

There are no referendums here on ANY issues- just like in other Western countries- including the US. Starting with them just leads to chaos, because there’s no end to what can be demanded come to one.

6. I did answer your question: Just as Kach was banned because, as the claim went, it didn’t recognize Israel as a Jewish democratic state (an arguable point), so too would any other party- whatever they advocate. That’s how Israel remains the liberal democracy that it is.

In fact, this is what the ersatz “Palestinians” think- from a Pew poll taken not long ago. How liberal and democratic!

89% of “Palestinians” want Sharia (Islamic law) to be “the official law of the land” (p. 9)

40% of “Palestinians” support suicide bombings or other forms of violence against civilians in the name of Islam (Pp. 10, 70)

48% of “Palestinians” see polygamy as morally acceptable (p. 11)

51% of “Palestinians” believe that there is only one correct interpretation of Sharia (p. 44)

95% of “Palestinians” who pray several times a day and 68% who pray less often believe that Sharia should be the law of the land (p. 47)

44% of “Palestinians” believe that Sharia must be enforced upon non-Muslims as well (p.48)

76% of “Palestinians” who say Sharia should be the law of the land, favor corporal punishment, like cutting off hands for theft, etc. (p.52)

84% of “Palestinians” who say Sharia should be the law of the land, favor stoning as a punishment for adultery (p.54)

66% of “Palestinians” who say Sharia should be the law of the land, support the death penalty for one leaving Islam (p. 55)

40% of “Palestinians” prefer a strong leader over democracy (p. 60)

72% of “Palestinians” believe that religious leaders should have either a large influence or some influence in politics (p. 64)

65% of “Palestinians say that religious parties are either better or the same as secular parties. Only 29% say that they are worse (p. 66)

92% of “Palestinians” say that drinking alcohol is immoral (p. 76)

87% of “Palestinians” say that a woman must always obey her husband (p. 93)

33% of “Palestinians” say that a woman should be able to divorce her husband (p. 94)

43% of “Palestinians” say that sons and daughters should have equal inheritence rights (p. 95)

44% of “Palestinian” males believe that it is a woman’s right to decide whether to wear a veil (p. 97)

89% of “Palestinians” believe that only Islam leads to salvation (p. 110)

82% of “Palestinians” belive that it is a religious duty to convert others to Islam (p. 112)

http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFiles/Topics/Religious_Affiliation/Muslim/worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-full-report.pdf

Israel IS a state. That’s why we have all of the trappings of statehood. And the state has an army- under the orders of the democratically-elected government of the State of Israel.

That picture was historical. I’m sure you don’t know what that means. You evidently can’t read either because they even state that in the picture.

Our borders with Jordan and Egypt are established and set by treaty, our border with Syria is set by ceasefire and annexation, and our border with Lebanon is set by the Blue Line.

It’s really quite simple.

Did Kissinger really say that? When and where- exactly? And even if so, who cares? He has nothing to do with Israel.

Oh, he might well have. You really do like to make things up.

Our annexations are reality. Get used to it.

As to respecting borders, they chose war. They didn’t respect borders.

And they paid the price.

Oh well.

Of course they have validity. WE decide; not anyone else.

No “stolen” land here at all. THEY never recognized any border, chose war, and lost. Same with other Arabs.

Oh well. Bad choices lead to bad results.

The Arab riots weren’t the fault of the British- although their light treatment of the terrorists was. The Arab riots were the fault of the Arabs who rioted- again and again.

And again, OUR tiny land is just 1/10th of 1% of the Middle East, and we’re perfectly happy with it. It sure is a pity that the Arabs can’t even “make do” with the 99.9% that they occupy. For them, no Lebensraum is enough for them.

We know that the Arabs chose war instead of a state and peace time and again. We know that many sided with Nazi Germany. And still you support them.

I understand.

But we won’t tolerate that here in OUR land.

OUR land. Wehave OUR land.

The would-have-been “Palestinians” had MANY chances to have part, but they chose war instead.

Oh well. That’s their choice. Nothing for them here in OUR land now- or ever.

We have been around for thousands of years. Lots of nations have said they would destroy us- and have tried. My kids read all about them in history class.

LOL! Enjoy this one:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Population_of_Israel_since_1949.svg

I live in Judea and Samaria- what you called the “West Bank”. Our population is growing faster than any other; nearly 5% a year.

http://www.israelhayom.co.il/article/107063

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/Flash.aspx/273787#.UgCVz6xafKM

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/170635#.UgDYQKxafKM

I could sell my house today if I wanted. There would be a line to buy. But I won’t. Ever.

You don’t have to “believe”. It’s an established fact.

Well, obviously Jews lived here during Biblical times. We all know that.

If you look at the documents from the Cairo Geniza, dating back to the 9th century, you’ll find that there were Jews in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza.

If you look at travelers’ accounts from the Early Middle Ages, such as Nahmanides, Benjamin of Tudela, and a host of others, you’ll find that there were Jews in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza.

Rabbi Jechiel Ashkenazi, who was actually Sepharadi, purchased the Karite synagogue of Hebron in 1540 on behalf of the Sepharadi congregants.

If you read about Shabtai Tzvi, the false messiah of the 16th century, you’ll find that his “prophet” was Nathan of Gaza, where the center of his movement was located for a period.

In 1834, Hebron was taken by storm by Abraim Pasha, and given up to his soldiers for several days. Most of the Muslims fled to the surrounding hills, but the Jews couldn’t, and since they weren’t involved in any of the political feuds, they weren’t particularly worried (since they wouldn’t be viewed as rebels). When Abraim went to take Hebron, a petition was presented to him by the officers of the Jewish congregation in Jerusalem to protect the Jewish inhabitants of Hebron, which he promised to do; but still, five Jews were deliberately murdered, and all of their property that hadn’t been hidden was either stolen or destroyed. Only then, did Abraim place a guard around their quarter of the town, but it was too late. He wasn’t going to try and force his soldiers to give back the stolen booty. The Hebron Jewish community was impoverished- but they were still in Hebron.

In 1845, Dr. Ernst-Gustav Schultz, the Prussian Consul in Jerusalem, discussed the Jews living in Shechem (Nablus) and Hebron in his book, “Jerusalem, Eine Vorlesung”.

In fact, except for the periods of 1929-1931 and 1936-1968, there has been a significant Jewish presence in Hebron SINCE BIBLICAL TIMES.

The ONLY period of time where there were no Jews in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza was between 1948-1967, when the Arabs ethnically-cleansed us from here.

Now we’re back home again, where we ALWAYS were- FOR GOOD- BY RIGHT.

Too bad that the real figures are a state secret – and Israel has a hideous reputation for lying and covering up.

Where are the real gun-camera pictures of the attack on the USS Liberty?

How did Israel come to use a photo stolen from the US Navy, and then air-brush it?

People this dishonest won’t be believed this time either!

What you mean is, you’re not bound by your promises and you’re not bound by the conditions under which you were granted a homeland (or the state as you’d promised you weren’t interested in).

You’re also not bound by the UN Charter you begged to sign, or the World Court as you swore you wished to settle all disputes you had with neighbours.

Nor will you speak the truth – resurrecting lies about the ethnic cleansing (from terrorists like Schechtman and Schmuel Katz) which even your own right-wing historians have abandoned.

It must be an Israeli thing, lie and cheat and threaten and blame others for your racism.

There were Arab riots in 1920, 1921, 1929, and 1936. Of course, it was nothing new:

1517: Safed pogrom: After having murdered the Ottoman governor, the mob turned upon the Jews and rampaged through the Jewish quarter. Many Jews were killed while others were wounded or had their property pillaged. According to one contemporary source, the Jews were “evicted from their homes, robbed and plundered, and they fled naked to the villages without any provisions.” Many subsequently fled the city.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1517_Safed_pogrom

1834: Jews (and Christians) massacred by Muslims in Jerusalem, Safed, and Hebron. See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1834_Arab_revolt_in_Palestine

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safed_plunder

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1834_Hebron_pogrom

1857: Herman Melville writes of his visit to the Holy Land:

…Rode from Ramlah to Lydda. A robbery of a village near by, by party of Arabs, alarms the whole country. People travel in bands. We rode to Lydda in train of the Governor’s son. A mounted escort of some 30 men, all armed….

…The Jews dare not live outside walled towns or villages for fear of the malicious persecution of the Arabs & Turks….

– The Journals of Herman Melville (January, 1857)

http://andromeda.rutgers.edu/~ehrlich/361/melville_journals.html

1920 Arab Riots: There’s what happened in Jerusalem:

By 10:30 a.m. on April 4, 1920, 60,000–70,000 Arabs had already congregated in the city square, and groups of them had already been attacking Jews in the Old City’s alleys for over an hour; the Jews hid. Inflammatory anti-Zionist rhetoric was being delivered from the balcony of the Arab Club. One inciter was Hajj Amin al-Husayni; his uncle, the mayor, spoke from the municipal building’s balcony.

The editor of the newspaper Suriya al-Janubia (Southern Syria), Aref al-Aref, delivered his speech on horseback. The crowd shouted “Independence! Independence!” and “Palestine is our land, the Jews are our dogs!” Arab police joined in applause, and violence started. The Arab local population ransacked the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem. The Torath Chaim Yeshiva was raided, and Torah scrolls were torn and thrown on the floor, and the building then set alight. During the next three hours, 160 Jews were wounded other than an unknown number of Arabs.

Khalil al-Sakakini witnessed the eruption of violence in the Old City:

“[A] riot broke out, the people began to run about and stones were thrown at the Jews. The shops were closed and there were screams… I saw a Zionist soldier covered in dust and blood… Afterwards, I saw one Hebronite approach a Jewish shoeshine boy, who hid behind a sack in one of the wall’s comers next to Jaffa Gate, and take his box and beat him over the head. He screamed and began to run, his head bleeding and the Hebronite left him and returned to the procession… The riot reached its zenith. All shouted, “Muhammad’s religion was born with the sword”… I immediately walked to the municipal garden… my soul is nauseated and depressed by the madness of humankind.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1920_Nebi_Musa_riots#April_4.E2.80.937.2C_1920_in_the_Old_City

The caption is a lie. The West Bank is shown as part of Israel. It is not. It is outside both the legal border of Israel and the 1949 Armistice Line.

PLEASE STOP PASTING IRRELEVANT MATERIAL INTO MY WEBSITE.

“Israel is the state of the nation of Israel.” !?!?!?!?

The whole point is that the State of Israel says there is no Israeli nationality. The state assigns a nationality to individuals that is either Jewish or one of a limited number of other recognised nationalities. Liberal democracies belong collectively to all their citizens. This is why Britain does not call itself an English state, Belgium does not call itself a Flemish state, and South Africa does not call itself a Black African state. Israel calls itself a Jewish state, and is therefore NOT a liberal democracy.

Many Western countries have referendums. For example, Britain, Ireland and France and several other European states have all had referendums on various EU treaties. In fact, it is a normal practice in liberal democracies to have a referendum on any constitutional change. The United States is an exception. In Israel there is no constitution (despite the Declaration of Establishment promising one within months), and changes in the Basic Law are therefore entirely in the hands of the legislature – yet another example of the ‘tyranny of the majority’ that invalidates Israel’s status as a liberal democracy.

Maybe the Swedish and the French are like me and hate seeing any “religious” dress. (Increasingly, it’s being outlawed in public, in France and elsewhere).

However, even if you claim that its antisemitic in origin, almost all of the blame is down to people like you who, whenever there is any allegation of atrocity against Israel (whether genuine or not) jump up and down and cry “Blame the Jews, Blame the Jews”!

Israel goes further and hires native Jews to bomb other Jews (along with, that we actually know for sure, UK and US facilities).

That’s much, much more unpleasant and deadly and even (with only one exception) very much more dangerous than anything ever to have come from any individual Muslim or terrorist group!

What name would we give to people like you who quite obviously wish hatred of (and presumably violence towards) Jews?

Ask any Iraqi Jew in Israel and they’ll tell you that the bombs that led them to panic were thrown by Zionists.

Same in Cairo and Alexandria in 1954, even Israel finally admitted what they’d done in 2005.

Bombs were almost certainly taken to Hebron in 1929 but we don’t know if any were let off, and Slonim probably refused to have them in a sacred Jewish building.

Then check Israeli sources who will tell you that there were 1,500 caches of arms in Israel ready for the British to leave and the fun to begin.

Synagogues were a favourite hiding place (there were even two caches in an East Jerusalem synagogue later destroyed – I wonder why that was?) but nurseries were also used.

The Iraqi Jews of Israel seem (or seemed) to be pretty unanimous that the bombings were carried out by the Zionists. In fact, in any normal sense, this would be considered a proven fact.

Similarly, it is a proven fact that Israel used Egyptian Jews to bomb American and British facilities in Egypt.

All this while the Israelis were openly boasting of the ingathering they were carrying out.

To turn round and accuse these badly damaged societies of being antisemitic and seeking to get rid of the Jews, Nazi style, is a blood-libel.

Disgusting, false, and used as an excuse to murder members of another group.

Very much more of a blood libel than the allegation that Israel harvested the organs of Palestinians – which in any case was true!

The Iraqi Jews all believed that they’d been cheated and bombed out of their property and ethnically cleansed by the Zionists.

This was the song which the Iraqi Jews used to sing. Nothing the rulers of Israel could do quelled the bitterness which the newcomers nurtured against them. They were lectured, in their transit camps, by teams of Zionist educators. But, long after they left the camps, they continued to sing that song, even at weddings and festive occasions. It remained popular throughout the fifties. (Hirst p288 The Gun and the Olive Branch)

What did you do, Bengurion?

You smuggled in all of us!

Because of the past, we waived our citizenship

And came to Israel.

Would that we had come riding on a donkey and we

Hadn’t arrived here yet!

Woe, what a black hour it was!

To hell with the plane that brought us here!

The Iraqi Jews didn’t flee – they were ingathered by the Zionists on the basis of lies (and in case of reluctance, bombs were used – as we know happened in Baghdad Cairo and Alexandria).

In other words, they were ethnically cleansed – by you!

Furthermore, Mizrahi continue to feel bitterly humiliated in Israel:

This was in 2013:

… I’m hanging out with two couple friends of mine. They are properly leftists, intelligent, well-educated. The conversation flows until we start discussing politics. We talk about Tommy Lapid. I say something about him being a racist and one of my friends responds: “So what, I am a racist as well.” I ask what she means by that, she answers:

“I don’t have any Mizrahi friends.”

I try to throw her a rope. “Well you don’t have to like Mizrahi music but what do you mean you don’t have any Mizrahi friends?” I ask.

“No,” she insists, “Mizrahi people have no culture – it’s a primitive and chauvinistic culture.”

I check again to make sure I heard her right.”You know I am Mizrahi, right?”

“You’re not really Mizrahi” she retorts, writing me off in a split second. I am stunned into silence. The others are silent as well. Quickly I mumble that I have to get going. Later, I get angry with myself. (Translated from Hebrew)

So Iraqi Jews suffered in WW2 in the aftermath of a very brief Nazi coup.

Less Jews died (at the hands of individual criminals who would almost certainly have been punished if caught) than the Haganah had murdered the year before in Haifa. An action that really was planned and carried out in order to help the Nazis, from the people who believed in the same ethnic nationalism and murder of the untermensch.

What happened when you googled for “51 Documents: Zionist resistance to the Nazis” – did you find what you expected?

Iraq was the Jewish homeland, and had been uniquely so for the previous 1700 years. (Zionists now claim that vast areas belonged to Jews, who accounted for 1/3rd of Baghdad).

The nationalist coup failed – very likely because, although it had modern German aircraft and some other German support, the Nazis weren’t involved. For all we know the usurpers went punished – but the revived Iraqi state condemned to death eight Farhud assailants, including army officers and police – compare that with the total inaction of the Israeli state against much bigger massacres of Palestinians – including the people of Deir Yassin, who were looking forwards to living in the new Israel (despite being outside the partition line, living in the Arab portion!).

There were virtually no Jews in Israel for a 1000 years.

They’d 99.5% or more converted to Christianity, perhaps because the Jerusalem Talmud was so oppressive. Later, most of them converted to Islam.

Only in Iraq and other places around the Middle East, under the Babylon Talmud, did Judaism flourish.

So, what did the Zionists do? Why, they ethnically cleansed all of those Middle Eastern Jews and entirely stamped out their culture!

You seem to want the Jews blamed for torturing Palestinian children, as you do all day and every day.

How about the stolen picture that Israel air-brushed and presented as being from the gun-camera of the jet attacking the USS Liberty?

Do you want the Jews blamed for that as well?

Have the Jews not suffered enough from false accusations for 2000 years?

Too bad that the IDF (Rachel Naidek Ashkenazi, Spokesperson of the Ministry of Defense) has been forced to admit that the picture you claimed was from your gun camera (and is used on the front cover of your hasbara manual on the USS Liberty, AJ Cristol’s book) was the property of the US Navy!

And has been air-brushed to cover up the details, including the unfortunate tug-boat in the foreground!

Then you accuse others of lying and cheating!

In other cases, like the torturing of Palestinian children, your own right-wing Jerusalem Post admits what you’re doing.

The Arabs in Iraq who attacked the Jews were punished for it. Easy enough to do when they were a small minority (just one Palestine that we know of, a collaborator imposed on the Palestinians by the Zionists themselves in 1920).

Whereas three times more Jews were killed by the Haganah by an attack, in war-time, on a British ship.

The Yishuv covered up that mass-murder of Jews – and the perpetrator was so proud that he presently published his memoir of pro-Nazi terrorism.

So, which of these communities was fighting for the Nazis?

It must be an Israeli thing to lie and cheat and blame others for your racism.

The attackers of the Farhud were indeed prosecuted and 8 condemned to death.

Compare that with the perpetrators of the Deir Yassin massacre, glorified as heroes and one becoming Prime Minister of Israel!

And Deir Yassin was one of some 530 pogroms, none of them ever punished! With many more to come, Sharon a particular villain, also became Prime Minister.

Gee, you must be proud of yourselves!

I won’t forget about the Farhud. Just because it’s inconvenient for you doesn’t mean that you can disregard it- or all of the anti-Jewish (not anti-Zionist specifically) legislation there.

The only ones who attacked the Jews were the Arabs.

Must be an Israeli thing to lie and deny over all the attacks they’ve carried out on the innocent – and the complete impunity they insist on, making many of the murderers into their Prime Ministers.